Comments for Why non-GPL extensions are bad for YOU! My experience. at http://www.joomlamilwaukee.com , comment 1 to 5 out of 5 comments http://www.joomlamilwaukee.com Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:45:34 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.joomlamilwaukee.com/139-Why-non-GPL-extensions-are-bad-for-YOU-My-experience.html#comment-100 [url=http://www.BostonPlumbingBest.com]Plumbing Boston MA[/url] is really a [url=http://www.HappyWarrenPlumbing.com/Plumberbluff.html]Warren Plumber[/url] the bluish finest - mhinob12 Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:39:34 +0100 http://www.joomlamilwaukee.com/139-Why-non-GPL-extensions-are-bad-for-YOU-My-experience.html#comment-96 You quoted a VERY non-mutually exclusive piece of the GPL license. There are quite a few open source licenses for starters and there are many licenses allowing you to make changes. So this quote is misleading. Actually, this whole post is very misleading, I really hope out of an honest lack of knowledge but having been in this biz for a while I doubt it due to the religiosity of people regarding licenses. I believe in identifying what your objectives are then finding ways to achieve those objectives. Want to be able to fix bugs yourself and need the source? Well, there are proprietary based software firms that do indeed provide you source. Then there are all of the wonderful open source licenses available. Seems like this is your only requirements, so saying that a non-gpl or even a non-open-source license is the issue is a categorical error due to facts and reality. What I really get confused on are dogmatic assertions that 'freedom' (liberty, by whatever language you choose) as in choice... ok, lets back up and read that again... FREEDOM OF CHOICE... C H O I C E ! ! ! Read again if it confuses you... then again to cement the idea in. So now we introduce the idea of being FORCED to do something, and yes... even if you already wanted to do that something but it is forced upon you and you say "well, I wanted it so its not a problem" then you certainly are a narcissistic bigot and selfish tyrant. (hint: it takes a big person to consider others over themselves and their sense of entitlements) So, CHOICE versus FORCE. I have two licenses, XYZ and ABC. Both provide me with the source and the opportunity to CHOOSE to make changes as I see fit. XYZ says I MUST (i.e FORCE) include my changes to everyone if this software is 'public facing' which includes redistribution. ABC does not require that, it gives me a CHOICE to do so if I CHOOSE to. XYZ REQUIRES (i.e. FORCE) that all things linking to that app be XYZ 'compatible'. ABC gives me the CHOICE to do whatever the heck I want and thus the FREEDOM often touted as the 'heart' of the XYZ license. So BY DEFINITION (not by opinion, we are using cold, hard, logic and reason here) XYZ is very much NOT in the spirit of FREEDOM and CHOICE. Now I have 3 kids and have taught various ages of children from time to time. When a child hears something they don't want to hear, regardless of facts or just reality in general, they throw a temper tantrum and CHOOSE to get offended. I see this in the self-labeled 'freedom loving' open source world. What I don't see are sober, thoughtful, and humble discussions (not arguments) about the freedoms and restrictions of various licences... yes, see that word 'restrictions' is also something that will cause immature folk to get pissy... reality just sucks to some people I guess. I would much prefer to have an unbiased listing of what each license is, allows, and enables or disables. From there I can myself CHOOSE what I want. Oh, and btw, muddying the waters is a method of lying and manipulation... not exactly very good virtues and traits that inspire trust. - Jason Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:18:31 +0100 http://www.joomlamilwaukee.com/139-Why-non-GPL-extensions-are-bad-for-YOU-My-experience.html#comment-21 I think a more accurate title for this sad tale would be "Why non-GPL [b]ENRCRYPTED[/b] extensions are bad for you". I have used many non-gpl extensions that provide the full source so I can still make all the changes that I want. But I will never use any encrypted extension, I just dont trust people. - Brian Teeman Wed, 13 May 2009 19:26:23 +0100 http://www.joomlamilwaukee.com/139-Why-non-GPL-extensions-are-bad-for-YOU-My-experience.html#comment-20 Good piece. Agree 100%. The community can help one another with GPL extensions. If you get a proprietary extension, you're really kind of on your own. Using proprietary extensions with Joomla! does not violate Joomla!'s license, but distributing those extensions is very likely a violation of the license. It's been two years since the decision was made that extensions should use the GPL. In July 2009, all non-GPL extensions will be removed from JED. That will be a helpful step in the right direction. - Amy Stephen Wed, 13 May 2009 11:32:06 +0100 http://www.joomlamilwaukee.com/139-Why-non-GPL-extensions-are-bad-for-YOU-My-experience.html#comment-17 Hello, I just had to chime in on this statement. There are MANY non-GPL licensed software titles available that are very good and they offer top quality support. You make it sound like all non-gpl software is bad. I have to agree that those of us in the open source software community are very used to having access to the source code so that we can make modifications and fixes if necessary. There are a lot of commercial vendors that do encrypt their proprietary software. We are not one of them. And I agree that the source should be available to the purchaser so that he can make modifications and tweaks if needed. I have been in your shoes many times. But I do not think it is fair to say that ALL non-gpl licensed extensions are bad. Perhaps you are not so much frustrated with non-gpl licensed extensions as you are with the actual encryption that has been done to some of them. But keep in mind that just because an extension does not carry a GPL license, it does not neccesarily mean that it has been encrypted or restricted. ;) - Mike Carson Mon, 04 May 2009 12:49:46 +0100